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Book news, and some PLO8

Saturday, March 12, 2011 @ 08:03 PM
posted by Dan

A couple of announcements for the Expanded Edition of Pot Limit Omaha 8 Revealed. It took a while, but its finally available on Kindle. I had received a lot of requests to have it on Kindle, but for a long time it was really difficult to get tables to format correctly. I’m not sure at what point Amazon changed the software, but I was able to figure out a way to get the tables to look right so its finally available.

The Russian translation of the Expanded Edition is now available too. You can also get a combo with Ed Miller’s Small Stakes No-Limit Holdem in Russian as well. When I originally wrote the book, I had no idea how popular PLO8 was in Russia and eastern Europe.

Lately I’ve been playing a mix of PLO and PLO8. Overall I haven’t been doing too great. Some of it is definitely running bad, but some of it is playing bad too. I’m not sure if going back and forth is such a good idea yet or not. My style of play in PLO8 is much less aggressive than for PLO, and I think after playing a bunch of PLO I then get into spew mode when I go back to PLO8. PLO has also introduced me to wild monkey tilt for the first time. Although the two games are very similar in structure, its amazing how completely different they are. Here are a few Rush PLO8 hands I played recently.

This one shows there is still money to be made in PLO8, its not often you have to suck out to win against trip deuces. If stacks were deeper I would have been a lot more careful with just an A-2:

Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $35.75 (71.5 bb)
SB: $48.75 (97.5 bb)
BB: $32.90 (65.8 bb)
UTG: $25.15 (50.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $52.55 (105.1 bb)
CO: $28.55 (57.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 2 A Q 5
UTG foldsHero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 4 7 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $11.25, CO calls $11.25

River: ($33.75) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $16.85, CO calls $12.05 and is all-in

Results: $62.65 pot ($2.85 rake)
Final Board: 4 7 4 3 5
Hero showed 2 A Q 5 and won $59.80 ($26.45 net)
CO mucked 2 2 4 2 and lost (-$28.55 net)

This is one that I totally butchered. I was down for the session at the time this came up and was pretty tilted. The river bet is horrible for a variety of reasons. Basically the villain is always calling with better hands and folding worse, plus with the way the hand played out he’s not going to try to bluff me often on the river anyway:

Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $70.25 (140.5 bb)
MP: $48.75 (97.5 bb)
CO: $129.20 (258.4 bb)
BTN: $53.80 (107.6 bb)
SB: $53.05 (106.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 A A J
3 folds, BTN raises to $1.75SB folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) 2 K 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.75Hero raises to $7.50, BTN calls $3.75

River: ($18.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $9.35, BTN calls $9.35

Results: $37.45 pot ($1.85 rake)
Final Board: 2 K 6 2 6
Hero showed 9 A A J and lost (-$18.60 net)
BTN showed 4 2 A J and won $35.60 ($17 net)

This one I think I played pretty well. 4-betting pre is definitely an option, but I hate playing my hand face up against a player like this. The villain is a very competent and aggressive regular. His 3-betting range is going to be  pretty wide, and I expect him to c-bet a huge percentage when I check to him.

Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha H/L Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $25.75 (51.5 bb)
BB: $44.70 (89.4 bb)
UTG: $73.85 (147.7 bb)
MP: $68.85 (137.7 bb)
Hero (CO): $50.05 (100.1 bb)
BTN: $91.20 (182.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J A 7 A
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($12.75) 8 Q 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8Hero raises to $36.75BTN folds

Results: $57.50 pot ($1.40 rake)
Final Board: 8 Q 4
Hero mucked J A 7 A and won $56.10 ($13.35 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$14 net)

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PLO8 Tourney

Friday, February 18, 2011 @ 09:02 PM
posted by Dan

I play very few MTT’s these days. The problem is with a family its rare that I’ll have 6+ hours to play at once if I make a deep run. But it did take some time the other week in play in the WBCOOP PLO8 event. I went on a nice run and ended up finishing second. I wasn’t disappointed at all getting so close because I felt like I played well, and at least walked away with a SCOOP ticket for May. Everything went pretty smooth and I was able to build up some chips early and had the luxury of a decent size stack throughout. I was also single tabling it which was a huge help. Lately I’ve been multi-tabling rush PLO and have fallen into the bad habit of not paying attention to the tendencies of the other players and noting when they have recently taken a beat and might be a little tilted. In the tourney I was able to really focus in on what the other players were doing and adjust them. I also had the advantage of having a super tight player to my immediate left. Not only was he completely passive, but when it folded to me in the small blind I could just min-raise any 4 cards and he would fold every single time. Once it happened and I decided to fold because I had complete trash and I kept expected him to fight back a little at some point. When I folded he actually typed in the chat “what? no raise?”. And then I proceeded to steal him blind several more times. When I play PLO8 cash games these days there are a decent number of people who have a reasonable idea what they’re doing. But since this was a blogger freeroll most of the field had no clue to I was able to pretty much waltz through the field. It was like a flashback to the PLO8 games from like 2007.

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Back At It

Monday, January 3, 2011 @ 09:01 PM
posted by Dan

Hope everyone had a good holiday break. After a crazy busy fall school semester, it was nice to get a few weeks off. I took a family trip to North Carolina to visit my sister. Never one to be afraid of road trips I decided to drive. It was over 1500 miles from Colorado to NC, which itself is not a huge deal for me but we have two kids ages 2 and 4. Fortunately they enjoy road trips too and they were able to stay entertained with a lot of DVD’s and toys and coloring. A minivan is not the most baller vehicle in the world, but it made the trip pretty easy. (don’t worry, its my wife’s, I drive a Maxima……) We had a great time in North Carolina. My parents came up from Florida so I was able to get 1 round of golf in with my Dad before the snow came. Golfing with my Dad is one of my favorite things to do, and since we live so far apart its only once or twice a year we get to do it these days.

This fall semester was a lot more work than I expected, and I barely played any poker at all. Over the break it felt good to get back to playing. I mostly stuck to Rush PLO and PLO8 on Full Tilt. I like it because you can get a ton of hands in, but its also easy to stop and take breaks. The other thing I’ve been doing a lot is stopping after a hand where I had a big decision I was a little unsure about and running it through ProPokerTools. At lot of times while I’m playing I plan to go back and look at certain hands, but then end up not doing it. With Rush being able to stop, analyze, and then restart makes for a really effective feedback loop that has helped me improve over the last couple of weeks. The only downside is you can only play 50PLO8 and 100PLO. I’m jealous that Hold’em players can play up to 2/4 on Rush. I think my postflop play has improved a lot over the past couple weeks. The only thing is I’ve adjusted to the tighter/stronger ranges people have when playing Rush, so when I’ll need to readjust some when I go back to normal tables. While in NC I was playing on my laptop. Here are the results from my desktop since I got back from my trip.

I’m going to play a lot more this year and plan on posting results more often. Over the last year school and side projects (not to mention family) have taken away most of the time I used to dedicate to playing. This spring I’ve got the final semester of my MBA, which should be less work than the others. I’ve been thinking that every semester and always been wrong, but this time I think I’m due. I’ve also completed some side projects, and am going to try to avoid taking any new ones on for a while. I am going to be playing more PLO8 besides rush and am going to do a couple of videos for Cardrunners this month. I don’t have anything on the official schedule right now, but I figure its best to make some while I’m playing a lot and have the time to do it. I don’t want to be wrong about my school workload again and find myself too busy in a few months. I’m also working on 2 articles (at least) on river play in PLO8. They’ll be out on Nutblocker.com later this month. I’m also going to do some on HU play, but that’s going to take a bit longer. In the meantime, I wish everyone good luck with all of their New Year’s goals and resolutions.

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Playing Tomorrow, Cardrunners Promotion

Wednesday, December 8, 2010 @ 07:12 PM
posted by Dan

I’m going to be playing on Full Tilt tomorrow as part of the Cardrunners 5th year anniversary activities. I’ll be on a few 50PLO8 tables from 10:30PM-12:30AM Eastern time. My screenname is campfirewest. I’ll record the play, if there are some interesting spots it may get turned into a Cardrunners video. Also, on Saturday I’ll be playing in the Cardrunners tourney on Full Tilt which starts at 3PM. The person who knocks me out will get a free copy of Pot Limited Omaha 8 Revealed Expanded Edition. Hope to see you at the tables!

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Static Flops in PLO8

Tuesday, November 2, 2010 @ 04:11 AM
posted by Dan

I wrote an article for Omaha Planet, and they have it posted now, you can find it here.

Its some more advanced content that didn’t make it into the book. Check it out and let me know what you think. In the future I’m probably going to do more article writing. If there are any particular topics you’re interested in holler at me.

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Expanded Edition now available on Amazon

Monday, September 27, 2010 @ 03:09 AM
posted by Dan

It took awhile, but the Expanded Edition is now available on Amazon.com. The first edition is still available there as well, but at a reduced price. I know a lot of people prefer to order from Amazon because you can get free shipping if you are ordering a couple of items. Creating the Expanded Edition was a lot more work than I originally intended, and it feels good to finally have the project wrapped up. My original intent was to clean up some typos, and rephrase a few things to make them more clear for people who’s first language isn’t English. Then I thought it would be good to add a topic or two that wasn’t covered in the first edition. Then I added another, and another……. Anyway the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive, which has been great. I owe a big debt to the folks who helped me with the peer review process. They spent a lot of time going through the new material and helped make the book a lot better. It feels nice to be done, and I don’t plan on writing any more books anytime soon. But I guess you never know…..

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PLO8 High Only Hands- Part 2

Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 10:09 PM
posted by admin

In the first part of this post I discussed some of the reasons why you should be careful with high only hands in PLO8. Now I’ll talk about why you should play them and when you should play them. First the why.

The obvious reason high hands need to be part of your various ranges is for balancing reasons. A few years ago when you had a higher percentage of idiots, this wasn’t much of a concern for me, and I could get away with rarely playing high hands. Nowadays that’s not quite the case. If you never play high hands then when the board comes KQT rainbow, an opponent who is even remotely observant is going to know you’ve never hit this board.  Also, since flops with 2 or3 high cards aren’t going to hit your opponents very often we’re going to be c-betting them a lot. But to keep our opponents from exploiting this, its important to show up with the goods every now and then. More knowledgeable opponents are also going to be c-betting these boards a lot as well. Its pretty awesome when you flop a nut straight on a high board and an aggressive opponent keeps barreling at you thinking you couldn’t have hit that board.

Now let’s talk about some of times where it is a good idea to play them. The most common scenario where I play a lot of high hands is when it is folded to me when I’m on the button or in the cutoff. I raise >40% of hands on the button in these situations, and adding a lot of high hands are a good way to build out that range. Often in this situation someone will call you out of the blinds with a weak hand and you can fire the flop and the turn and will win a lot of pots without showing down, so the cards in your hand don’t matter a lot anyway.

Another common scenario is when you have big implied odds. You are usually going to miss the flop with these hands, so you want to be able to get paid when you do hit. In a heads up pot this means having deeper (100bb+) stacks. It can also mean a multi-way pot. A very common scenario is when several people limp into the pot in a full ring game. This is nice because when you nail a board hard, the odds are that much better that one of those players will come along with you.

Lastly, adding high hands can give you some deception value. I’ll occasionally min-raise UTG with one of these hands. Most players are going to automatically put you on AAxx, and call looking to out flop your aces. This is nice for two reasons. One is that when an ace flops they will usually fold when you bet out. The other is that the boards that hit your hand will be interpreted by your opponents as boards that are bad for aces. That sets them up to try to outplay you or overvalue their hand. A word of warning though. Don’t go crazy with this concept and start raising tons of high only hands from early position. Only do it occasionally, and only with the stronger high only hands, preferably ones that are double suited.

PLO8 High Only Hands- Part 1

Thursday, September 9, 2010 @ 05:09 PM
posted by Dan

High hands in PLO8 cause a lot of confusion. Beginners have a tendency to grossly overvalue them, since their concept of hand values usually comes from other games. I’m going to make this a 2 part blog post since I don’t feel like writing a gigantic essay. In this post I’ll talk about the problems with high only hands in PLO8, in the second post I’ll talk about how they are valuable and when you should play them. I’m taking a little bit of a risk here that readers will misinterpret this and think that I”m saying you should never play high hands at all. That’s not what I’m going to say here, I just want to outline some of limitations of them that can get you into trouble.

First of all, the hot/cold equities suck. KKxx against the top 15% of hands only has 43.6% equity. T-J-Q-K is only 37.9% versus a top 15% range.The average percentile rank for KKxx hands is only 33%. This isn’t the most horrible thing ever, but they’re not favorites over ranges your opponents are likely to have in common situations. I recommend going to propokertool.com and running a lot of simulations to get a better idea of the equity matchups with high only hands.

Playability is not great either. First of all you aren’t going to hit many flops. There are lots of different flop fits you should consider, but in general boards with 2 or 3 high cards are going to hit these hands the hardest. You only get flops like that about a third of the time on a random flop. But if you are holding 4 high cards the odds of that type of flop go down to about 25% or so. Most of the time we’re missing the flop with these hands.

The other problem is its difficult to get paid off when you do hit, since you usually also need your opponent to hold some type of high hand as well. That’s not going to happen a ton if you hold a bunch of high cards and then some more high cards hit the flop.

The last thing I’m going to mention here is that when you flop top set, you can still be in trouble. Most people are familiar with some of common set versus big draw scenarios in PLO. In PLO8 you can be a lot more vulnerable because you may also have to worry about low draws and back door low draws. If you are holding QQ67 on a Q23 two tone board in a 4 way pot, things can get a little tricky…..

I’m going to stop there for now. But again, I’m not arguing you shouldn’t play high hands, just beware of some of their limitations. In a few days I’ll post again and talk about when playing high hands can be very profitable.

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Check Raising Paired Boards

Friday, August 27, 2010 @ 05:08 PM
posted by Dan

At this point most people have figured out that when the board is paired on the flop your opponent has usually missed it, even in a game like PLO8. Another thing a lot of regs do it c-bet too often. When you have a decent reg and a paired flop and then you check to them, you can be pretty sure they are going to c-bet about 100% of the time. The obvious way to take advantage of this is to occasionally check-raise them with air. They won’t have actually hit the flop very often, so this shows a healthy profit against the right players. I’ve been doing this a lot lately and it works a huge percentage of the time. A few words of caution though:

-You can’t do this every time the board pairs. It needs to be an occasional play or people are going to catch on pretty fast.

-If you do this twice to a reg they are probably going to remember it and get suspicious. The next time you do it against them it may be better to have trips+ instead of air :)

-This only works against competent, aggressive players who are c-betting in these spots way too often. Don’t do it against random fish who never fold.

-Be less likely to do this if you have some decent equity in the hand, like an overpair or a some kind of draw. You don’t want to check-raise and then be forced to fold to a shove when you had a low draw and a flush draw.

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PLO8 Blog Series and Book Update Coming

Tuesday, August 24, 2010 @ 05:08 PM
posted by Dan

I realize my blog has been kind of short on PLO8 content, so later this week I’m going to begin a series of posts on PLO8 strategy. Look for 4 or 5 posts altogether, based on some of the new sections I’m adding to my book. I’ve spent the last few weeks working on the update to my book, Pot Limit Omaha 8 Revealed, so I really have PLO8 strategy on the brain right now. My original plan was to make some minor changes, and then maybe add a new section or two. I ended up deciding to turn it into an expanded edition and add about 60 new pages, taking it from 190 to ~250 or so. The reason is there were a lot of topics that I wanted to cover that weren’t in the first edition. The first edition was intended for players new to PLO8. The expanded edition will have some content aimed at players who are already familiar with the game. Its not going to be a full blown ‘advanced’ book, because that would take me forever to write and would end up being like 500+ pages. But I did add some topics like flop texture and c-betting, which I think a lot of experienced players don’t understand well enough. It’s only been a year since I released the first edition, but I forgot how much work it is putting a book together. There have been several drafts, and lots of back and forth with some independent reviewers and my editor. I asked several people from the PLO8 community to give me some feedback on the new sections, and the response was amazing. I’m humbled by how much time and energy folks put into making this book as good as possible. This has turned into a lot more work than I originally planned on, but the results should be worth it. Look for the expanded edition to be available sometime in early September.

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